Good poker, Sick stuff

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 4102 hands and saw flop:

- a total of 700 out of 4102 (17%)
Pots won at showdown - 90 of 170 (52%)
Pots won without showdown - 315

The poker I played today was great. I was up to 141$ but finished the session at 130$. I feel robbed.

The first big mistake I made was when I was on the button with 5d6d and called a raise. The flop came down Qd4d6. The raiser bet out big and the caller min reraised. I decided that I call with hands like that to see that kind of flop and if the action is like that I should go all-in. So I shipped. The original raiser folded, but I got called by the other guy. He had KQ. The original preflop raiser said that he had AQ. I did not get to suck out and lose the 10$ pot.
It was a good call with KQ, but to be honest the guy is an idiot. I got AQ to fold, but that guy called with KQ?! He admitted that he was hoping that I would not have any set. Hope. I hope I play with him again and take his chips left and right, because just a few hands after this he was gone. Like all bad players, who just got aware of it. I never leave.

In another hand I caught set over set and lost a pot there too. I almost folded. UTG limped, everyone folded and I am in the small blind and call with 44 and the big blind checked. The flop is 7104. I bet out, the big blind folds, but the UTG reraised. This set off some alarm bells for me and I just called. The turn was an 8 and would have made some gut-shot. I checked and the guy bet. I was thinking fold fold fold. I shipped all in and got called by 77. I could have saved so much by just calling it down to the river. I felt beat.

Another hand where my set ran into 2 sets was also pretty sick. Sicker than people who can do auto fellatio. Someone raised, I call with 77, and the button min reraised, bringing me and the original raiser into the pot. The flop is A107. The first raiser bets huge. I was not sure what to do. There was a reraise preflop by the guy who had position. It was min reraise. I decided he had AK. I also thought what could the guy out of position have. The way the bet came and everything I thought he had 1010 and flopped a set. I was not able to fold or just call. So I shoved and guess what? I got called in both spots. The guy in position had AA and the other guy had 1010. My set of 7s suddenly looked small. The river was the 7. A happy ending. This is poker, there is no happy endings. I did not get quads, it was just my wet dream that I had to share.

Now comes the donk of the day. From russia. I forgot to get his name, I was tilting and left as fast as I could. I was suffering. No need to make my mouse, laptop, or my bankroll suffer.
I limp on the button. Guess what hand? 77. This probably was the hand of the day. The small blind folded and the big blind checked. It was heads up. The flop came down KJ7. Nice. The blind checked. I do what I do best and bet. The small blind check raised. Of course min raise. What else do idiots do. I thought a bit and decided I have no idea what he has, lets put it all in. He reraised my 5 cent to 10 cents and I went all in with 5$ and he had a 2.3$ stack or something. So he should better have some hand if he calls. He called. AQ. AQ? Hes from russia, he plays wild, he catches cards. Of course the river was nothing but the 10 to give him a straight. This was the last hand I played in the whole session. I ran to the bathroom and puked. I tried imagining what the dude must look like. I puked some more. No I did not, but I wanted to with him in front of me. This stuff is upsetting but you should not get upset when someone sucks out like that. As long as you get your money in good, you are playing good. Paying off on the river are the hands where you should start puking and they have a better hand than you. You should be puking on yourself. For losing. For playing bad. For the sake of improvement.

Patience pays off

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 2852 hands and saw flop:

- a total of 441 out of 2852 (15%)
Pots won at showdown - 74 of 121 (61%)
Pots won without showdown - 198

Ive had a few sessions where I did not post anything. Nothing was really happening, but the bankroll is rolling at a healthy 131$! On Saturday I played about 10,000 hands, where I dropped. I continued playing and was able to beat my tilt and made a comeback and finished break even after 10,000 hands.

Today was a special session. I sat down at one of the tables and I got AA in late position after just a few hands. Almost everyone limped and I am not the player that is going to let you do that. I shoved all in and did not get a caller. Great, I did not lose with AA. chipcolctr started going nuts in the chat as if I dropped a nuclear bomb on him. Well I did, I shoved all in with AA. He just complained about me shoving. Its my money, its my hands, its my choice. Cry and tell me about it. I just let him know I will collect his chips and the discussion was basically over for me, but he enjoyed talking to himself, still ranting in the chat. I was hunting him. I have never aimed at anyone, but I wanted him felted by me. Not by the guy on my left, not the guy on my right.
I had Kc10c and saw he was on the button and was going to call with anything. So I raised it under the gun. I got one caller. The button was the second caller. He bit the first time. I wanted it. The flop was K5c2c. Perfect for me. Top pair, flush draw, decent kicker. There is not such thing as checking when I kinda have this round-house-kick-in-the-face kind of flop. I bet. The first guy folded and my target called. I wanted it. The turn was the 6s. I decided I should just shove and see if I get called. I was just hoping he did not have KQ or some other kind of K with a better kicker than mine. If that was the case Id still have a shot with my draw. I shoved all-in. He was thinking for a few seconds. Now I started hoping he would not call me with the nut flush draw. He called and showed Qc6c. The way I wanted it. A meaningless 2 on the river gave me the pot of 3.5$. He left the table as if his mom caught him masturbating. It was a poker game, I hope he returns. Possible under a new name? No more chipcolctr, he turned to donating, so chipdontr?.

This guy was a complete retard who had no idea about anything. He demonstrated that in the chat room, at the tables, in his game. He did not know how I can not fall below the max buy-in. Its called options. You can set it up there. He did not know what heads up is. After I offered him he said he does not see me play a hand. He did not know how to bet. He called. He called. He folded, never really winning a pot. He told me I should go to an ATM. I always had 5$ in front of me, while he had poor 2$ (most of the time less, until I took it). His ATM must have been done after this. He was gone.
The way that this guy treats people I wonder if he has friends. I would not want to be friends with him (I hope you are reading this and add me on facebook, I know I gave you the website of the blog). I feel sorry for his parents, I feel sorry for his family, I feel sorry for his friends.

Usually I just let all-ins happen. Against this guy it was an operation. I targeted him. Again and again. I even played bad so paying off smaller hands so I could see what hes playing. I got it all back and some more, I consider it an investment.

session summary

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 4191 hands and saw flop:

- a total of 638 out of 4191 (15%)
Pots won at showdown - 75 of 144 (52%)
Pots won without showdown - 363

I was playing for hours already and I was on quite a run. I started thinking that it is time for a big cooler or bad beat. I was in the big blind and it was basically blind against blind. I had 89os and decided to check after the small blind had limped. The flop came down 89Q and the small blind fries out a bet that was bigger than the pot. I flopped top two pair and he fires into me like this? He does not know what I have and I do not know what he had. I shoved. Terrible play, I was instant called by the flopped straight.

I should have played the hand better. Since we did not know much about each others strength on the flop. I could have called to see how he continues. I think if I had raised he was going to shove and I would have called him down. I guess in those kinds of situations its best to call and see if there is really strength behind the opponents bet and maybe just calling down all the way to the river. That way the minimum is only lost, I lost the maximum. There is the room for improving my donk play. If I call I might get a full house on the way and actually put myself in a position where I would have the best hand most of the time and he would have called an all in often with the straight. The beauty of the suckout.

Summary of the last few sessions

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 10065 hands and saw flop:

- a total of 1673 out of 10065 (16%)
Pots won at showdown - 253 of 439 (57%)
Pots won without showdown - 718

This is basically the summary of the last 3 sessions. The longest session lasted 7 hours with around 5,000 hands.

Remember EveFat.KL? He limped in early position and took on a whole bunch of limpers with him. Once the action got to me I looked at AA and decided to shove. I only got called by Eve, who had KK. I find it useless limping with huge hands. I want to raise. I want to be aggressive. I want as few people in the pot as possible whenever I have a big hand, because the risk gets too high of losing a big pot if u have all these goofy hands in the pot. I won the AA vs KK race and took down a nice pot of 10$.

The sessions were quite consistent play, but I had a time where nothing would be good. People instant called my AA and KK several times after a lot of people limping and me shoving preflop. Twice I got called with 44. On both occasions they flopped set. Another time my AA got cracked by AK, because the AK made the nut straight. I think I should have been much higher, than where I am at right now.

My bankroll is at 121$, which is good. I am planning on moving up in blinds starting march and for February I got my Silver VIP status.

The donk calls me a donk

Today I played about 1,000 hands only. One of the first tables I sat down at and played a few hands, I woke up with QQ in early position and raised it to 0.06$. Everybody pretty much folded, but the small blind toyberg90 had a huge stack and out of nowhere made it 0.5$ to call. The huge raise seemed suspicious to me and I wanted to put him on AA, KK or AK. I did not buy it though and decided I wanted to see the flop and see how the action turns out. On the flop the K was the highest card and obviously I did not like it much. The small blind checked to my surprise and I decided to check behind. The turn is another low card and the small blind decided to shove all in with 1.9$. Now I thought about that he might have KK and flopped a set and is slow playing it, but I went back to my gut feeling that he did not have such a great hand and the check on the flop made it seem like he did not have much. I doubt with KK he would have just raised it so huge preflop. AA and AK would have bet the flop. So everything added upto me that he was just going wild. I decided to call. He had 99, meaning my was way ahead with my QQ. He wasn't able to catch and I took down a nice pot.
After the hand he just types into the chat "donk call" and I told him "donk shove" and he never replied. According to pokertableratings hes quite a losing player and who knows how many account he had before, since this toyberg account was only opened in october 2010. This guy was actually on more tables than me, so I assume he is an experienced player, but no concept of the game at all. The birth of a cry baby, who does not know how to tell a consistent story got caught lying.

The story of this hand is that you should go with your gut feeling every now and then if you are unable to understand the actions of you opponent. When plays usually do not make any sense its probably a bluff. The guy had balls, donkey balls.

I ended up losing some through out the session where my big hands would just continue running into bigger hands. I lost the minimum just calling down with my sets and never went all in. I knew I was beat, but its hard folding sets and nice when you do not go broke with them when there is no flush or straight possibility. The bankroll is at a healthy 119$.

6200 hands in the past 24 hours

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 6200 hands and saw flop:

- a total of 1089 out of 6200 (17%)
Pots won at showdown - 176 of 303 (58%)
Pots won without showdown - 454

In the past 24 hours, I played 3 or 4 session and never really had a time to blog about any of the sessions. Well the stats are a sum up of how the session went. I got 7$ and took the bankroll to 122$. I had a long period where I was just card dead and no matter what hand I had I just would not hit anything on the flop.

There were 3 well played bluffs. I can not remember the action. I remember getting called down on one of the attempts, but it actually helped me that I did get called down because a few hands later I played similar by betting out, and then a guy shoved and i just had him crushed with a full house.

On the other two bluffs my opponents took sometime but both decided to fold. In all three hands I had to bet huge on the river. They were all big bluffs, not just the picking up. I was able to do this, because I put my opponents on a hand, but in those hands I was also thinking about what possible hands they would put me on. Basically those pots went down with me limping, getting raised and I called on all flops. In most cases the top pair on the flop paired. That is where I took over the aggression and lead by betting out and knowing they had some kind of hand. This is why I had to fire big on the river. It was not big enough. One guy called. I should have gone all in.

2 hands I wont forget

I had a small session of 820ish hands an I managed to pull out 5$ and I am up 115$. this session I had a great run. This time my opponents had decent hands but I showed up with bigger hands. Reminded me how poker does even out. Yesterday it was my turn to lose and today it is my turn to win.

When I was multi-tabling when I was at my high back in mid 2010 I played two hands that I won and will not forget so fast. The first one is my biggest, which was 100$ at the .1/.25$. I had bought in for 25$ and doubled up to 50$. Then I got 22. I raised in early position. The only stack that I wanted to avoid had 50$ in front of him too. He re-raised and I knew he had a big hand and I could possibly win a huge pot. So I called. I can not remember the cards that came on the flop and turn. I remember flopping my set. I check called and check called the flop and turn, slowplaying the hand. The river was a K. I put my opponent on KK or AA, so it was not my favorite card to see, but I decided to ship and possibly represent something like AK. He instant called and showed AA. The 100$ pot came over to me. It was a nice feeling and reminded me already at those stakes, you can become a "pro" and earn a living if you 12-15 table and play 2,000-3,000 hands a day given that you are a winning player. I was not.

Another hand I can not forget was also at the .1/.25$. I had AK in early position and raised it. I only got one caller. The flop was low cards and I missed but I lead out. I got raised. Then I saw the flush draw that was on the flop and thought that he might be raising with a draw. I saw him play some draws in position like that. I was sitting at the table since Jesus resurrection. I decided that he had a draw and I reraised him. Then he shoved, but I did not wanted to fold my AK and called the all in. Now we had created a 50$ pot and in most cases I would have been drawing dead. I am sure of that, but I was in there with my A high. When the cards got shown he did have a flush draw. Qc10c. Now I had to dodge a half million outs, but he had to catch them. He missed the turn and river and the 50$ pot got shoved my way with A high. Probably this is my sickest play ever and I am proud of that I had the guts to go after what I knew. After the hand the guy called me a donk and I asked him "What do you expect me to? I have the best hand." I never got a reply.

Falling asleep at the table

Played another session. Here are the stats:

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 1710 hands and saw flop:

- a total of 303 out of 1710 (17%)
Pots won at showdown - 40 of 69 (57%)
Pots won without showdown - 129

Both sessions today were more or less a disaster of big hands running into bigger hands. My bankroll is at 110$. It happens. It will happen the other way too. That is just how poker works.

In one of my hands I times out for a while and ursharkfuel started "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"-ing in the chat room. After I was done with the hand I asked if there was a problem. He replied with "you play slow". I told him to get a bankroll and play more than 1 table, because thats all the tables I could find him on. He replied that hes playing on Pokerstars, Fulltilt and UB. Is he trying to say hes playing 3 tables or what? I just had to reply with im 15 tabling and smoking. That sounds a hell lot busier than that guy.
Anyways, I can play however fast I want to. It is my money. If people have the need to tell me to hurry, I get angry. If you have nothing to contribute, you might as well shut up and wait. If you are illiterate, too bad, because Pokerstars has tables called "fast". I do not play at those due to my mulit-tabling so I can take my time with some difficult decisions. Do not play with me if I am too slow for your standards.
By his PS profile listed on pokertableratings he seems like the one who does not really play a lot of hands. 674 hands since February, 1st 2009. Dude, this is the 21st century. Online poker. I played more hands in live poker in the same time span.
Sadly he left the table before I could tell him that I will write a blog about him.

nice for them, its sick to me

Terrible session. Went down to 111$ and I could not do anything about it. I think I lost the minimum until the last hand, where my KK ran into AA and I knew he had them because it was just a huge shove of 4.9$ from the small blind, and I already raised it up big in late position to 0.18$. This was happening to me the entire session over 1500 hands. I had a flush, they had a better flush. I had flopped a straight, they flopped a better one. I had a set, they got to their flush. I had two pair, they had a better two pair. The best in those spots I guess. My big hands kept on running into bigger ones. It must have felt nice for my opponents but it was just disgusting to me seeing it happen. I guess the pots without showdown made up for some of my sick losses.

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 1494 hands and saw flop:
- a total of 287 out of 1494 (19%)
Pots won at showdown - 39 of 78 (50%)
Pots won without showdown - 102

EveFat.KL is a player I enjoy playing with. I see him/her online a lot and also multi-tabling.
There was one play I found very strange. EveFat.KL limped in late position, SB folds and I was the BB with 108os and decided to check and take it heads up. The flop comes 910dAd and both check to see the J hit the turn. I wanted to bet but I misclicked and checked it. Then Eve bet out .18$ into a 0.06$ pot and I found this suspicious. I decided to call and wanted to be committed to calling down the river as well. The river was a 6 and I checked it over in the hopes of that it would be checked down, but to my surprise Eve went all in. I did not want to call this bet because it was 2.5$ or so and suddenly created a massive pot so I ended up folding.
Eve knew I was weak and after the barrel on the turn, he knew I would not be able to call an all in with my bluff catcher. A few hands later a similar situaiton developed but I decided to fold already on the turn that time and not bother about the plays.

One of the first hands I played for the day included one that put me under a lot of pressure. I raised to 0.06$ with KK in midlle position and only get called from Medias1968 in the SB. The flop came down 7s8s4 and I was being bet into with a pot size bet of 0.14$. I decided to raise it to 0.42$. Then he re-raised to 2.13$, he had about a 4.7$ stack at the beginning of the hand. This play put the pressure on and I was not convinced he had a made hand yet, but only settled for a call so I could get away from the KK if another spade hit. The turn was the 7c and he moved all in and got quickly called by me. The river came 6h. The SB showed Ac8c and I took down the 8.94$ pot.
Usually player will have sets and my KK will be no good, especially when two big stacks clash. I put him on a wrong hand, so the play itself was wrong and could have ended up losing the pot.
I would like to know what hand he put me on. Maybe on a flush draw because I just called on the flop? Or was he aware of that I had KK and was hoping to push me off by bluffing some kind of set?

Stupid plays, Tilting and Bad Beats in one session

I just finished playing 1,100 hands and it was a horrible session. Now I am taking a break, I am down to 118$, my high of the session was 126$.

In the key hand that got me into a losing session was a bigger pot at the 0.01/0.02$. doggosu from South Korea limped and I has AA in position and I do not like limpers, so I made it .18$ to see the flop and everyone else folded but he called. I put him on some kind of pair.
The flop comes down K59 and it is checked to me and I bet big into the pot just to get re-raised instantly to 2$ or so putting doggosu all in. I knew it was a bad call but I did it anyways and to no surprise he flopped a set of 5s.

This hand set me off tilting and I played a few other hands bad against him/her, where I ended up paying off some hands.

In another hand Zet140 from Russia or Ukraine made it 0.06$ to go from the button and I was in the BB with Ac2c and I thought about a re-raise. I saw him raise many hands before in this spot and knew he did not necessarily have an A in his hand. I ended up calling and the flop came down 1010c8c, giving me the nuts flush draw. I decided to bet out because it is just a great spot. I got called. The turn is a red 2 and I decide to bet out again just in case he had something like A with a decent kicker but no made hand yet. To my surprise I got called again and thought that he might have some kind of over-pair to the board. I missed the river when a red 3 come down. I still decided to bet, because I thought if he has an over-pair, he is a good enough player to fold it or he might call me down. So I bet about half the pot making it look like I had a big hand dud to the bets that I made before. After long consideration Zet140 called me down, showing 9s10s. I never would have thought that, he should have put a raise in somewhere to protect himself from the flush draw that was out there.

The 3rd hand just set me off and I shortly after ended the session was when I had AA in the SB. UTG makes it 0.08 to go and gets one caller and the button re-raised all in which was 1.1$. This was anjao from Germany. I thought that he UTG had a hand and decided to put my entire 5$ to the test. After a few seconds UTG decides to fold and so does the caller. I see I am up against 88s. Flop comes down K108 and I can not improve anymore. I do not understand what people expect to get called with when they shove with 88 preflop. I really do not and I would love them to explain it to me. That way I might get less angry about such idiots. It less costly actually to call some raise and flop the set, than getting called by a hand that 90% will have you in the need to suck (dick) or you are going for a 50/50 against AQ or AK or some type of hand like that. Keep on playing like that, but it would be nice to see improvements.

I hated the session, but I thought I still played well upto the point where I lost it. Its actually nice releasing some steam by writing about stuff like that. I needed a break anyways, because when I am down I continue playing bad.

Why you should never fold pairs preflop

1,000 hands session today at the 0.01/0.02$ blinds. Nothing really worth talking about, so Ill just keep it short. Up around 4$, with the bankroll at 124$.

I am trying to help a friend out over at Fulltilt (I am getting him to Pokerstars, he knows FT just does not do it!) to improve his game a bit by telling him where some leaks are. Anyways, we had a "share screen" session on Skype and I watched him play. It was the first time I did this and it is just nice. You can even talk and see everything happening and unfolding on the spot. So after a while of watching him I notice he was raising with small pairs and basically just check folding most of the time. I find this is a losing way to play small pairs at this limit. What I found was an even more losing play is when I saw him folding small pairs to a raise preflop when he was in position. I just could not understand. He said he just could not do it. Whatever that means? I hate to say it, but get your balls reattached and call simply how you raise preflop with them. They are an easy fold after the flop and if you flop a set it is time to take off your shirt an run around the campus naked (I imagine Melbourne Uni campus to be HUGE), when someone with an overpair has this need to go all in. You will see, it will do wonders to your bankroll and is very simple. Just do it, even though NIKE has nothing to do with poker.

A Kids Game (Trailer)

A Kids Game Trailer

This should be a great documentary about online poker. Looking forward to watching it!

50/50 session, min raise

Today my session was 15 tabling for 2,000 hands at 0.01/0.02$. It was a very break even session thanks to a small gamble that I made with a flush draw with basically the last hand of the session. I guess it was double up or nothing time. Overall no bad suck outs, so I wont be able to blog about anyone's mistake that upset me.

My goal for this month is to get the silver VIP level on Pokerstars, because there is some nice cash rewards available for frequent player points (FPP) once the silver is reached. Looking forward to that!
I have no goals as to where I would like to take my bankroll to but I want to bring it back to where it was last year, where I ran 20$ to 950$ in 6 months and basically found myself with 28$ after about 1 year of playing. Now I want to make it back and if possible higher.

Since I did not have anyone to blog about, Ill write about the min raise. Sometimes I notice it in the early positions, sometimes I see it someone do it in position when there is limpers, sometimes you see the button min raise it when everyone folds. Guess what, I hate it. I reraise it big when I do not think the minraiser has a playable hand after the flop unless he hits it big, so most of the time I will continue bet the flop and win the pot quite often. The early position minraisers I noticed they sometimes reraise and basically give away they have AA. Easy fold for me. I think players who are not sure about their hand and how to play it do minraises. Let me rephrase this: Only idoits min raise, they even manage to play AA in the least profitable way.

No Donks, why college?

Today I did not find anyone who I could complain about. Maybe it is because I only played 1,200 hands. Most of the time I was card dead and had a horrible percentage at the showdown, but still took some from the tables after a few smaller swings.

Today I had a field trip in relation to my college class. I met a managing director and he said at some point "What you learn in college is very different from what you apply in reality". This made me wonder why do I go to college again and went through 12 years of school, if most if it seems useless to a managing director? Remind me. Maybe I will have an answer myself in a few years from now.

jcxgi (United States), the first person to blog about

I am in late position and decide to limp for 0.02 with 33 and so does the button. Small blind folds and the big blind makes it .06 to go. I call and the flop comes 8c3h4h. The big blind as expected bets out .12 and I raise with my set to .36. The button folds and the big blind reraises. I decide to move all in with my 5$ stack and the big blind calls off his 2$ left. He had KK. Not to my suprise he gets his K on the turn and a meaningless Q on the river wins him the 6.07$ pot.

the blinds are 0.01/0.02$ which is not a meaningful amount of money to me and shouldn't be to anyone who is playing at those levels. The action on the flop would have told most decent players that possibly the KK are no good and calling an all in which was just over 100 big blinds for him its a donk move, where intelligence was absent. I play bad sometimes too and guess what, blog about it too, tell me about it! I as a big stack am sitting at the table for a reason, to get it in when I am ahead. I would have shot myself in the face bringing this much all in with a flush draw. The fact that he called it off being behind shows me hes also the kind of player who bring it all in on flush draws. Dude, wake up, you are behind and you need to suck. I understand doing suicidal missions to smaller stack than you, that way you actually wont die and its not a suicide mission.

I am a person. A human being. I love it when people play bad, but when they suck out, I get angry. Just like everyone else. I would love to meet the people on the other side of the virtual felt  once in my life and see who they are, what they do and most importantly what are they thinking since their horizon seems to barley go further then their own cards. Maybe we can be friends, but at the poker table I will hate you and I will go after you because you play bad.
Suckers suck and hopefully they will continue sucking. Once they are good enough they might become prostitutes with a degree in sucking. I will make that for them. For now I will just rant at them like jcxgi on Pokerstars. Heres his profile, it goes downhill and he probably wonders why: www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/jcxgi

For now I do not know how to put up links. Copy and past if you would like to have a look or blog about it. It will get me to figure it out faster!

He played 5,500 hands since October 3rd and to no surprise that was his career peak. I piss 5.5k hands a day if i want to (I am averaging about 2k hands a day), that is how much I play to be good enough to throw away KK in such a spot. I wonder does he really just have 5.5k hands of online poker experience or is it his 2nd, 3rd, 4th (?) account. I want to know the people behind the virtual felt, here is my facebook : Oliver Grohe. Try adding me, if you are a human too!

Its bad being angry, it is the cause of strokes and all kinds of other illnesses. So every time you bad beat someone, they basically just moved a lot closer to death.